Is A Toyota SUV "Greener" Than A Tesla?
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Is The Toyota Rav4 Prime A Better Buy Versus A Tesla Model Y?
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The 2021 Toyota Rav4 Prime is simply a fantastic vehicle. 42 miles of electric range, a 2.5L engine for a total combined driving range of nearly 600 miles, 302 combined horsepower, zero-to-sixty in under 6 seconds, 2,500 lb towing capacity, plenty of cargo space, 8.3 inches of ground clearance, and a clever AWD system. There’s an electric motor for both the front and rear axle which are independently controlled, also allowing for AWD in EV only mode. Perhaps the most impressive feature, is that while packaging all of those motors and batteries, it still manages to fit a spare tire in the back.

The Rav4 Prime is like a combination between a Subaru Forester and a Tesla Model Y, and that's a good thing! It's a no compromise solution towards creating lower emission vehicles, so the obvious question becomes: could a Rav4 Prime actually be better for the environment than a Tesla? Check out the video for all the details.

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Emissions per gal - www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/conte...
Emissions per gal (2) - afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/elec...
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  • Stephen Riggs
    Stephen Riggs

    Love hybrids, but because they have a gasoline motor, they aren't nearly as low-maintenance as a competing, all-electric vehicle. Thus, there is at least one compromise.

  • Matt “Toucan” Wengler
    Matt “Toucan” Wengler

    A little too dramatic. You don’t need to be tossing stuff around.

  • onlysublime
    onlysublime

    Toyota has made the plug in rav4 almost as hard to buy as an Xbox

  • William Warren
    William Warren

    Nice video! Thank you. Your video style has dramatically improved in the last six months or so. Why?

  • TRLWNC1
    TRLWNC1

    The only real question that I have is whether or not they will be viable in 10 years. I'd still rather have a piston engine. At least it can be made to run if needed.

  • Bruno Aquino
    Bruno Aquino

    Wouldn't battery life (the cycles of charge and discharge) affect the way batteries can hold charge, hence, the times you'll need to charge the car and increase CO2 emissions?

  • zcmdz Pp1
    zcmdz Pp1

    I love this prime!

  • Zack C.
    Zack C.

    Thanks for the breakdown! What about 10 year totals for charging with Tesla power wall and a few solar panels? Less grid energy carbon cost

  • Hideo Kojima
    Hideo Kojima

    My opinion gas is gonna stay gas always I think it's time we innovate gas car so much that it'll run as a normal car on 1 litter of fuel

  • Jonathan Deinhard
    Jonathan Deinhard

    I think as you mentioned its important to consider that the electricity mix gets cleaner over time whereas gasoline does not. Im not sure how US ectricity Billing and charging works, but in Germany you can select to buy only renewable Power at home and almost all charging stations are mandated to use renewable energy as well by law or guarentee they use renewable Energy if they are not mandated to do so. Additionally if you use renewable energy to produce the batteries total emissions get even lower. Companies like Volkswagen are starting to mandate that for their cell suppliers. So that changes stuff quite a lot. I think we're heading in the right direction. Nice Video :)

  • Matt Lane
    Matt Lane

    And what is the cost of the telsa vs toyota... this just proves again EV's are junk...

  • 5 Star Reviews
    5 Star Reviews

    all in all, God loves us more than ever, despite only being a tickle in our precious hearts

  • 5 Star Reviews
    5 Star Reviews

    yep

  • dcobbism
    dcobbism

    I didn't have a headache before watching this

  • Marquis de Moo
    Marquis de Moo

    ICE engines have to be serviced more than EVs and use more consumables, not least oil.

  • Rory Christel
    Rory Christel

    Tangentially related: Can we please stop calling crossovers SUVs? Hell, just look at the average car buying site: Want a cheap SUV? Buy a PT Cruiser! Dear car sales world: The PT Cruiser is not an SUV, it's a station wagon.

  • Brandon Starr
    Brandon Starr

    Interesting half Tesla emissions are driving so if you power all driving by solar I wonder what the emissions from solar panel production is?

  • Misters Grimly
    Misters Grimly

    Using the car you currently own or buying any used one is greener than buying an EV or hybrid which requires mining toxic chemicals to make the batteries.

  • Joe Black
    Joe Black

    I was expecting one more segment after Tesla green report for manufacturing process that would start something like: "and Toyota is utilizing renewables to cover X or Y part of the production ... so those number are totally different." :D

  • Felipe Montoya
    Felipe Montoya

    Now imagine the numbers for a 400kg asian electric microcar with a tiny battery pack

  • Arun Krishnamurthy
    Arun Krishnamurthy

    Do you think manufacturing supply chains may have an impact as well? Number of parts suppliers, how much you have to move raw materials around until it becomes a part assembled into a car? Or is it a negligible difference?

  • BunzeeBear
    BunzeeBear

    Only 8" clearance. Try 12" so I can get my head under it. Not everyone drives on pavement all the time. We want to go fishing and some of them roads will HIGH CENTER you rather than let you pass. Make the car useful, otherwise I am going back to my horse. . Gee, think of the NON hassle you would get from Toyota if you reclaim one of these cars from the "written off" group....& fixed it Legal again. None of this "HERR MUSK" saying "NOPE" That is a WASTE.

  • Brian Fuller
    Brian Fuller

    As a past auto mechanic turned coal plant worker I have a unique viewpoint!! Try to commit suicide by either running a proper running gas powered catalytic converter vehicle inside a garage, OR go climb the smokestack from your fossil fueled powerplant with basically no counter emissions and huff that! We all breath this aftermath and the gas powered car wins. I would get a headache from running my little snowblower inside my garage to warm it up to drain the oil during winter, but my late model cars running inside for 20 minutes had no effect. Hum, let's see 365 horsepower and no headache, 8 horsepower and a headache!! The coal plant is being torn down ( it was in the top 20 out of 2,000 coal powered plants during it's life from 1981 till 2019) and is replaced with natural gas powered turbines with minimal counter emissions efforts. The natural gas powered turbines produce half the CO2 emissions of the our coal plant. Basically stick your nose over your gas cook stove if you run a EV car in the upper Midwest, or go huff your exhaust from your late model car in your garage! We all breath the aftermath! Oh, our coal powered plant that came on in 1981 being one of the cleanest in the nation was accomplished by pulverized coal the consistency of talcum powder, low NOX burners, a bag house to collect particulates, and we used lime to make a slurry to be atomized into the boiler exhaust stream to reduce acid rain by 75 percent ( permitted to reduce it by a minimum 70 percent),

  • Anthony Holland
    Anthony Holland

    What I see under the hood of the Toyota are hundreds of extra parts that can fail.

  • SuperChief5
    SuperChief5

    I’d be a buyer for a hybrid MACH-E😆

  • NexusGen Inc.
    NexusGen Inc.

    No. Obviously not.

  • FunMushizzle
    FunMushizzle

    No. The answer is no... EV's are better for the environment that Gas cars... stop spreading this FUD.

  • Duarte Molha
    Duarte Molha

    Very complete analysis but I would say that such a small battery on the rav car assuming you would use it almost 100% every day it would definitely not survive 10 years.

    • Duarte Molha
      Duarte Molha

      Also at highway speeds most cars will be using the engine and the electric motor is at most helping

  • J R
    J R

    What about the long-term toxification of water to produce batteries

    • electroborg
      electroborg

      Very interesting. Making clean water scarce, for the plutocrats, is a welcome side effect, so no wonder if the issue isn't debated at all. For all her good intentions Greta can only go so far and maybe she's there because of it. The same families who made the industrial revolution (for our welfare) make the green revolution (for our welfare). Guess how it's going to turn out.

  • 9FiveB
    9FiveB

    Well......... If anything I'd say it’s more yellow and the Tesla is more blue. Hey! Yellow and blue make green! That reminds me, I need Ziplock storage bags. What was the question? Ooooo shiny! Excuse me.

  • Julio Mo
    Julio Mo

    6:50 "This is America." I thought he was going to pull out a Colt .45 and wave it around.

  • kilofazer
    kilofazer

    you didn't take to consideration that share of renevable will increase in energy production

  • Picobyte
    Picobyte

    The thing is that moving high energy density liquid fuels has lower losses than moving charge over the grid and in/out of batteries.

  • jtland
    jtland

    I would love for Toyota to put the RAV4 Prime’s drivetrain in a Corolla Hatch. That would be my perfect daily driver.

  • Michael Jennings
    Michael Jennings

    You should have accounted for the embodied energy of producing the ICE engine. That would have increased the Toyota's initial production energy.

  • Peter Mayers
    Peter Mayers

    Tesla is "Green" ? It's not !

  • Vultite
    Vultite

    "Eventually the cars are going to stop working" (Toyota looking at Tesla)

  • Midi Man
    Midi Man

    The Toyota Prime has one more advantage it can drive and charge. So you are never stuck without energy.

  • Adam L
    Adam L

    I appreciate the content of your videos a great deal. I do, however, struggle to watch them in one sitting because of the sound quality. When wearing a lav mic, you shouldn't have to speak so loudly that we can hear a lot of reverb from your garage walls. I think if you attempted to speak more quietly, and perhaps used some extra compression afterwards, the quality of your videos would go up considerably imo.

  • Howard Andersen
    Howard Andersen

    Big auto doesn't care about the environment, if not for Tesla they would have no interest in producing EV. Support Tesla !

  • DFKnightmare
    DFKnightmare

    Model y (and 3) tows 3500lb So how is the Toyota ability "true" exactly??

  • DFKnightmare
    DFKnightmare

    No, no it's not.

  • Paul Goffin
    Paul Goffin

    Shocked at the average CO2 figures per kWh. I guess that shows again how far behind the rest of the civilised world the US is. (FWIW, here in the UK right now it's generally overcast so our solar production is currently unseasonably low, but currently our grid is at 191g/kWh.)

  • Abdul Kadir
    Abdul Kadir

    Doesn't the Rav4 have a hybrid engine (like a Prius Prime) after the EV engine runs out? So would the 45% be straight gas?

  • Austin Radtke
    Austin Radtke

    If he used the average 25mpg car for ice emissions, I wonder if the gap of overall emissions is smaller with say a ice car that gets 50mpg? Even the hybrid rav4 comes close and only gets 38 mpg.

  • IronicUseOfElectrons
    IronicUseOfElectrons

    *Chevy Volt Intensifies*

  • zain ali
    zain ali

    I hate suv or whatever it is called

  • zain ali
    zain ali

    Ehh.

  • Nomad Chad
    Nomad Chad

    Could you just use cost to manufacture the whole car as how much energy it took to make. Not just electrical energy but all energy combined because isn't the manufacturing cost of a product just how much energy it took to create. I bet there's a differential equation that someone smarter than me could figure out.

  • Doug Steel
    Doug Steel

    Tesla runs on coal and natural gas

  • Aaron Josephs
    Aaron Josephs

    This is fascinating but... it's impossible to actually BUY a Rav4 Prime because there's no inventory 🥴

  • Jay Bee
    Jay Bee

    well first- toyota doesn't have a BEV, they have hybrids. 2nd- toyota could care less about 'green'. what mr. toyoda really wants is to keep gasoline around. and when will they have solid state batteries? around the same time they have fusion. lol.

  • Jay Bee
    Jay Bee

    "redder" ... 'greener'... WHO GIVEs A f. big oil just wants to hold on to their 4.5 trillion dollar a year monopoly on the energy business. but while we're on the topic- and for you greenies who think co2 is going to fry us all- there is NO SCENARIO where petroleum DOESN'T raise co2 levels. none. steam refraction of methane to make h2? raises co2. hybrids? have both batteries & petroleum... so.. .raises co2. BEV's. yes- at present, mining is done with diesel heavy equipment, with a big huge muddy mess of brine pits to extract the necessary minerals. BUT- JB straubel left tesla to start his business- redwood materials- recycling of lithium batteries. not only can they recover 98% of ALL the materials in a lithium battery (including nickel, lithium and carbon), they have the plans to mine the materials by digging up a layer of soil, running it through their 'recycle' process at redwood... then they return the unused clean dirt to the site where it came from without a drop of pollution. so what about the diesel heavy equipment, excavators, etc.? there are already a couple of agricultural tractor startups who are developing battery electric tractors. combine clean mining operations, battery recycling and solar wind / battery storage? now THAT'S green. in other words- BEV's is the ONLY path to a 'green' future- no way in hell is petrol. the biggest problem i see with big oil is NOT that it pollutes. the real problem is this: as long as they exist, they're going to use the power & influence to squash any new innovations. big oil doesn't just "not want tesla" around... they actively squash ANY technology that cuts into their bottom line even by a fraction of a percent. there are literally dozens of cases that are KNOWN where big oil buys a new technology that increases ice engine efficiency.. then they shelve it- never to be heard from again. this is why big oil in their current format needs to die. maybe once elon finishes carving them up into bite sized chunks... tesla can buy controlling interest & install CEO's that will just conduct business & not try to squash everyone else in sight. I'm sure that the CEO's of texaco, chevron, BP, etc... just think they're protecting their profits.. .but what they're REALLY doing is stifling innovation: and THAT has to stop. and trust me- if tesla ever did fail? everything would return to 'normal'... even the mention of 'EV' would disappear like a fart in the wind.. and a huge sigh of relief from legacy auto- who HATES the idea, but only pretends to go along... hoping big oil will short sell tesla out of existence. the biggest advantage of BEV's? OPTIONS. if I drive a gas car- or even an h2 fuel cell car. and big oil decides to raise the price of their product? I'm just screwed. if I drive a tesla... and the power company decides to raise the price of kwh's? I can install solar with batteries... I can buy a small diesel generator & set it up to run on vegetable oil... I have options. that's what big oil hates- YOU the consumer having options OTHER than them. wind, solar, hydro-electric, bio-mass... OPTIONS. gas? screwed. h2? A JOKE. already that krap costs around $5 a gallon.

  • James Tomblin
    James Tomblin

    "A metric unit even us Americans can understand because it's how our electrical bills are calculated..." 10 seconds later *Completely fails to make use of the primary feature of the metric system* 4.13 Trillion kWH? I think you could just call that 4.13 PWH.

  • Asaf Pardess
    Asaf Pardess

    Are you aware that "green" is not the problem EV solved... Is renewable energy transportation solutions...

  • Nergis Paul
    Nergis Paul

    Doesn't Panasonic make all the batteries for both Tesla and Toyota and like 40% of the total market? Wouldn't it be worth looking at their numbers?

  • Nabby50
    Nabby50

    Toyota RAV4 Prime or Tesla model Y. That’s my dilemma.

  • ESP Thinking
    ESP Thinking

    You also have the NOX emissions from the ICE. They have 300 times the infrared absorption of CO2 and they really should be part of the equation

  • Branko Dimitrijevic
    Branko Dimitrijevic

    13500 miles a year, you Americans really like to drive

  • Buddy Reynolds
    Buddy Reynolds

    Model Y towing capacity is 3500 lbs.

  • Adrian B
    Adrian B

    Synthetic fuel is the answer .

  • Darren
    Darren

    Hydrogen CGI and EV is answer. Or better yet clean up all those heating systems and wood burners

  • Caesar Ong
    Caesar Ong

    Also, what about the CO2 emission from concrete pouring when building the Gigafactory?

  • Caesar Ong
    Caesar Ong

    Imagine if the early American electrical engineers insisted on screwing the metric system and we get electric bills in BTU today, just imagine.

  • Nick's DIY
    Nick's DIY

    Radical idea, Toyota should make a sedan version of the Rav4 prime, not the Corolla or Prius, cause those are just hard to look at and so slow.

  • RickitySplitz
    RickitySplitz

    I care about how it drives, not how 'ego'-friendly it is.

  • James W
    James W

    My dieselgate Golf is cleaner than a Tesla 🤣

  • J Spence
    J Spence

    I bet the Toyota’s red paint doesn’t chip every time you drive on a dirt road = Rav 10x better build quality. But Toy won’t come to my driveway for service calls and they won’t come fix my flat tire for free. I’ll still take my ModY any day, that is, until the Ford Lightening is ready.

  • Julian
    Julian

    You talked about end of life CO2 emissions at the beginning but completely left them out at the end, i would love to see how this would impact the comparison...

  • Michael Siravo
    Michael Siravo

    Need to factor in the thousands and thousands of birds killed by wing mills. Those birds no longer emit co2. 😳

  • Michael Siravo
    Michael Siravo

    Wait a minute. The media keeps telling me that EVs are zero emissions.

    • Megaphonix
      Megaphonix

      Yes, tailpipe emissions. Which, frankly, based on urban density, is a far greater boon to local air quality. Put another way: between a gasoline vehicle and an electric vehicle, I can only run one of them in an enclosed garage without dying from noxious fumes after an hour or two...

  • Michael Siravo
    Michael Siravo

    What about the energy to build a thousand more natural gas power plants. There will be a massive, massive increase in elect demand.

  • firehazard51
    firehazard51

    Dude....sound damping panels are needed on your ceiling. I see you got them on the sides....you must not have them on the ceiling with all that echo 😉

  • John Vanderbeck
    John Vanderbeck

    The biggest problem, I have with "hybrids" is studies show most owners don't plug them in anywhere near enough, so they end up mostly running on gas anyway.

  • SteelCom
    SteelCom

    The last time I checked this uploader was using the now debunked originally non-peer reviewed Swedish study IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute that left huge gaps in its report, such as ignoring the contamination from oil and gas extraction.

  • lSirCumference
    lSirCumference

    That Cybertruck has what I want.

  • Roger Hewett
    Roger Hewett

    It's an SUV. Higher ground clearance means alot when you live in Canada or the Northern Part of the USA.

  • Fe Do
    Fe Do

    did you make the assumption that producing an ICE does not create ANY emissions?

  • JoeAceJR
    JoeAceJR

    I dont like the 2.5 liter gas guzzling engine. Just put a 1.5 liter engine in that, or at least make it an option. 2.5 is WAY too much! A hybrid doesnt need 302 hp. Come on toyota your better than that!

  • Jade Thomason
    Jade Thomason

    Is it worth paying an extra $10,000 for the prime version? Will you ever recoup that money?

  • tdc3rd
    tdc3rd

    Interesting, thorough, surprising. But still, the must-do is zero GHG, and putting money into building, testing, transporting, selling, fueling, and driving any vehicle that emits GHGs is money better spent on what gets us to zero. It’s like Gates explains, shooting for “better” at scale for near term likely prevents us from reaching zero by 2050.

  • Nice-oscar
    Nice-oscar

    It depends on the usage. For long milage driving like a taxi or deliveries, Tesla is better. For short driving, like taking kids to school, shopping and going to work, Toyota is the best. I wouldn't buy either, too expensive unless is for business and the expenses are tax deductible! Buy a cheap Toyota corolla.

  • Aydın Çitiloğlu
    Aydın Çitiloğlu

    Very very good considerations congratulations..

  • Ruben W
    Ruben W

    Families who can afford only one car would take the Toyota today (better for going on holiday etc). A second household car should always be full EV in my opinion. Great video!

  • Jose De Mendoca
    Jose De Mendoca

    Toyota rules in one simple word durabilaty,it's that simple,thank you stay safe everyone.

  • Jake Enders
    Jake Enders

    Ignoring having to deal with spent batteries make me sad.

  • Handy Henry
    Handy Henry

    Yeah, didn't mention the main reason people buy Tesla's. Driveway flexing.

  • Humberto Pretti
    Humberto Pretti

    It does nota matter! Clima change is a bogous!

  • Cr Hu
    Cr Hu

    You just have to estimate something about the much more complex maintenance of the RAV4.

  • Cr Hu
    Cr Hu

    Ethanol isnt going to cut that 10.7kg/gallon much, since it has to be grown & processed. 0.52kg/kwh for electricity is going down over time too, while over time dirtier oil sources make the gas higher emissions.

  • Bry Pom
    Bry Pom

    I live in Quebec and we get our electricity from Hydro dams so Ladida dodledango 😎

  • klaatu barada nikto
    klaatu barada nikto

    And if you get a Toyota you don’t get a shoddy built car manufactured by an immoral car company, ie Tesla

  • Sicheng Hao
    Sicheng Hao

    Electric cars loss charge by just park there, faster in cold places.

  • In Out Door
    In Out Door

    Can't wait for synthetic. Better work out, or car culture is fucked.

  • ZEredder
    ZEredder

    7:47 I see what you did there...

  • Adrian Gilbert
    Adrian Gilbert

    All becomes sort of irrelevant when you become aware we've been gaslit into believing co2 is bad for environment when it is actually very good and does not contribute to global temperature change but rather a greener planet. Co2 has been 12 times higher than current levels way before we came on the scene and life was abundant and earth didnt burn up.The facts are out there but you have to look past msm and politicians. Read 'fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom' by former greenpeace activist patric moore. Very comforting messages of climate truths that we should be telling our kids rather than filling them with fear, guilt and uncertainty about our future. Love your channel btw. Keep up the interesting content.

    • Adrian Gilbert
      Adrian Gilbert

      @Johan Siverklev yes i can see your point on smog in cities for sure. We are blessed with very clean air in general here in nz so probably not so much of a consideration compared with where you live.

    • Johan Siverklev
      Johan Siverklev

      Ah, great.. Then no one really has to care about anything, right? Very comfortable belief, must be nice being you. The funny thing is, regardless what you believe about greenhouse gases, don't you like the thought of cities without smog? Less lung cancer? Less respiratory diseases caused by car emissions? Producing your own electricity, for free? I mean even if there was no net gain or winnings to be made for the earth as a whole, I'd still very much prefer the new technologies that are so much cleaner for US (pronoun) than the old ones.. What about you?

  • Jttv
    Jttv

    So i recently did a very similar emissions study on the Chevy Volt vs the Model Y and found that Volt to be slightly better tho I went with a higher CO per kWH of usable battery. As you said it is hard to pin down that number. And the study is only accurate to the currency of the data.

  • Martin Fraguio
    Martin Fraguio

    I think that the ideal comparison would be to include a Rav4 using E85. .

  • BajaMike
    BajaMike

    I’m just excited the rav4 looks normal lmao. Some automakers are putting out pure abominations

  • iPlay54
    iPlay54

    You got a thumbs up strictly off 7:46 the behind the back throw 😂 living in America too I felt your pain lol